In response to The Lot above on the anniversary of this show.

It was definitely at Copperfield's. The one and only time they played there. Coppefield's and The Orange Grove are definitely not two names for the same establishment. Copperfieild's was in the commercial area near South Campus. The Orange Grove was on Westcott. Totally different part of town.

This show was at Copperfields. I know because I was there and it was my first show, it was sparsely attended.

Phish did play at least one (maybe two) show(s) earlier in 5/89 at The Grove (as it was called) but I didn't go. It was after school was out and I had left town. Both bars do seem to be gone. Maybe someone who is stillin Syracuse can weigh in if they see this on whether they are gone or what they are called now.

The next show that Phish played and Syracuse was at Clement's Brewpub (in 1990). I was at that one too. This is another huge source of confusion as Clement's Brewpub was briefly the name of a vintage long time Syracuse establishment called Hungry Charlie's and which everybody who went to Syracuse at the time simply called Chuck's. Yes Hungry Charlie's, Chuck's and Clement's Brewpub are all the same venue with different names. I have seen that 1990 show listed in databases under all 3 names. For people who care about the historical record it goes like this --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

5/89 - Orange Grove
10/89 - Copperfield's
11/90 - Clement's Brewpub (more commonly known as Hungry Charlie's / Chuck's)
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They didn't play again in Syracuse until 1992 at the Syracuse Armory by which time they were far to big to be playing in bars. Around 1990 Phish played Ithaca more frequently than Syracuse as they had a bigger fanbase there and its a short drive down from the 'Cuse. It has gottent o the point that the level of misinformation around these shows has become a source amusement for me. But I will say for the last time... I know this 10/13/89 show was at Copperfield's. It was my first Phish show. Sadly, I didn't know their music very well yet and certainly wasn't recording it so I have very little idea what they played. I mostly remember them practicing the whistling of Reba during soundcheck and Page telling Trey not to whistle directly into the mic to cut down on the unwanted blowing noise. There were just as many regulars around the bar as there were people there to see the show. It was a strange vibe.