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I kind of felt like there was this quality about the first couple of jams when I met those guys. Like, they were good players, and I thought that they were better than me at the time, but there was sort of this hyper-ness to it that was sort of hard to listen to. The way that we were jamming together, it wasn't very...there was just something jarring about it. Like a lot of extra energy being spent on something that didn't have a lot of emotion to it, or something like that.