Just some opinions based on the further discussion:

1. I like 8/16 more than 8/17.
2. I think the DWD is better than @nichobert is giving it credit for, but I don't think it's *that* great. I don't think the Gin is *that* great, either, but more in a "is this the best jam ever" sense; it's definitely a very good jam.
3. 8/17 II is fine; "firing blanks" is overstating it, but it's hard to imagine that people would like that set very much (very good Mule nonwithstanding) if that was their 2nd set.