@GUMBY said:

I was almost to the point of letting a behind the scenes email dialog with the .net team and others in the community go into the dark recesses of cyberspace. But, now that I see "Tweezerpants" headlined, I believe I've been baited to post important thoughts on this epic jam...

To Who's in Charge?,

In the end, too much thought and energy was devoured in the breakdown and discussion to just let IT go without passing the argument (which is now becoming a crusade) to change the 8/22 Watkin's "Tweezer> Caspian" set list sequence to "Tweezer> Prince Caspian> Tweezer". In an effort to plead our continuing quest for defining the truth in Phishtory, I am taking the liberty to recycle some past email dialog that originated the moment the 8/22 set list was posted on .net a few weeks ago. Big Props to my man Bushcow, aka Bakesaleboy as the originator & inspiration for this crusade. We will not rest until the other "> Tweezer" is added! ...

Breaking IT down, IT does return to Tweezer. With full participation at "some level" from the entire band. Here are the facts (as I hear them anyway)...

The "shift" back to Tweezer happens as follows:

1) Fishman's Tweezer beat around 7:12

2) Trey with clear Tweezer riff at 7:33 (in G instead of A, using MuFX + Whammy?) Similar effect treatment to this year's Alpine Tweezer, btw. Please, Check this out as another point of reference, as other documented versions are relevant facts in the foundation of any argument.

We are safely established back in Tweezer at this point and the Jam continues in G and moves into C/G along the way. But, if you need more circumstantial evidence...

3) Page enters with "Roll with the Changes -aka Keep on Rolling" progression clearly around 14:00ish (in C) Also, on display in a varied form this year's Alpine Tweezer. (again, contemporary styling's are relevant)

4) Mike dropping those huge Tweezer envelope bass Bombs toward end (in this case meatball C bass notes, signaling the later to come Reprise, of course)

That's it! All 4 members playing some form or fashion of Tweezer.

Now, the only argument to tilt my head and give me pause... is that Fuckerpants is basically a G / C foundation, so they may argue they never really left the progression structure. But, that's a very weak argument given the situation and circumstantial facts above. If they want their cake... it should be should be renamed "Tweezerpants Jam". But, it's a "Tweezer jam". Hey, The Music don't lie!

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Most of the notes above are cut & paste from emails to an unnamed .net editor over the past few weeks (who actually agrees with us, BTW). Join the cause, as 20 years later, we don't want the next generation believing it's a straight up Caspian, do we? Use any or all of this argument to help correct Phistory!

I...don't see it. I've thought about it, because *obviously* Tweezer -> Caspian -> Tweezer (-> Jam) looks dope as hell and would turn eyeballs far more than Tweezer -> Caspian would, but it's just not that. To wit:

1. Yes, Fish plays the Tweezer beat midway through. That's obvious. That's why there's a Tweezer tease listed.

2. Now here's where things get a bit tripped up - Trey *hints* at the Tweezer riff. He never outright plays it, he hints at it. Go back and listen to the 8/14/15 Tweezer -> NO2 -> Tweezer. He hints at it much the same way he does at Caspian, then plays a *much clearer version of the Tweezer riff* at the end. That's very clearly a -> back into Tweezer. Much less clearer here.

3. What Page and Mike do after they supposedly get back into Tweezer is totally irrelevant. That's Type II land.

4. Re: the Caspian jam actually being a Tweezer jam - by that logic, when they go into Slave to the Traffic Light in the 12/9/94 Tweezer (and that is roughly *ten thousand times* more clearly Slave than the jam in the 8/22/15 Caspian is Tweezer), it should really be marked as Tweezer -> Slave to the Traffic Light -> Jam. That ain't how this works. It might *sound* like a jam that comes out of a Tweezer, but it isn't.

I ain't unsympathetic to this position, believe me. But the evidence just isn't enough to support it. We have more legendary Tweezers than you can shake a stick at. Let this legendary Caspian be.